Greenwich Council

Agenda, decisions and minutes

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No. Item


Appointment of Chair

Members to appoint a Chair for the Meeting.



Councillor Don Austen nominated Councillor Maureen O’Mara to be chair for the duration of the meeting. Councillor Geoffrey Brighty Seconded the motion.


Resolved –


Councillor Maureen O’Mara was appointed the Chair.



Apologies for Absence

To receive apologies for absence from Members of the Sub-Committee.


There were no apologies for absence.


Urgent Business

The Chair to announce any items of urgent business circulated separately from the main agenda.


There was no urgent business.


Declarations of Interest pdf icon PDF 35 KB

Members to declare any personal and financial interests in items on the agenda.  Attention is drawn to the Council’s Constitution; the Council’s Code of Conduct and associated advice.

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Resolved –


That the list of Councillors’ memberships as Council appointed representatives on outside bodies, joint committees and school governing bodies be noted.


Minutes pdf icon PDF 46 KB

Members are requested to confirm as an accurate record the Minutes of the meetings held on 27 May 2017 & 06 June 2017.


No motion or discussion may take place upon the Minutes except as to their accuracy, and any question on this point will be determined by a majority of the Members of the body attending who were present when the matter in question was decided.  Once confirmed, with or without amendment, the person presiding will sign the Minutes.

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Resolved -


That the minutes of the meeting of Licensing Sub-Committee ‘A’ held on 27 May 2017 & 06 June 2017 be agreed and signed as a true and accurate record.


Sainsbury's, 1a Philipot Path, London, SE9 5DL pdf icon PDF 391 KB

Application to vary the premises licence

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In reaching its decision the Sub Committee considered the Council’s statement of Licensing Policy, the Licensing Act 2003, the Regulations made there under and the Guidance issued by the Secretary of State under S.182 of that Act. In discharging its functions the Sub Committee did so with a view to promoting the licensing objectives of the prevention of crime and disorder, public safety, the prevention of public nuisance and the protection of children from harm.


Having considered all the evidence put before it the Sub-Committee decided to grant the variation to the Premises Licence under the Licensing Act 2003 in respect of the


Sainsbury's, 1a Philipot Path, London, SE9 5DL


as follows:


Alcohol delivery service in response to online/internet orders shall be


Monday– Sunday

23:00 – 07:00



The supply of alcohol for the festive period shall be


Christmas: from and including the 14 days before Christmas, Christmas day and up to and including 7 days after Christmas

06:00 – 24:00

Easter: from and including the Monday prior to Good Friday up to and including Sunday following Easter Monday

06:00 – 24:00








The variation is also granted subject to the additional conditions volunteered by the applicant set out as follows:


-      The store may run an alcohol delivery service in response to online/internet orders between the hours of 2300 to 0700.

-      When the store is open for non-licensable sales between the hours of 23.00 to 7.00 all alcohol shall be covered by a screen of the store’s choosing. This does not apply to the extended hours over the seasonal period.


The Applicant set out the application and volunteered a reduction in the extension to the seasonal hours from 1.00 to 24.00. The Applicant explained that the extension of hours to prepare online orders would have no noticeable effect on the number or timing of deliveries, orders would only go out during normal trading hours and therefore there would not be additional vehicles for collections etc during the extended hours. The Applicant explained that this was necessary due to the definition of the point of “sale” for online orders.


Councillor Clare spoke on behalf of Colin Rutt. He raised concerns over the manner of the application, which volunteered no conditions when submitted and the effect of increased online orders/deliveries in terms of noise and traffic in the area.


Peter Glazebrook spoke on behalf of the tenants of the residents of the Alms houses. He raised concerns about the way that the application had been submitted and queried whether the Applicant would use the extended hours only to fulfil online sales. He explained that there had been problems with crime and disorder in the car park next to the shop and he felt that the Sainsbury’s staff were not adequately trained or prepared to deal with customers trying to buy alcohol later at night. He raised concerns about increased vans overnight to take the extra orders. He suggested that the Sub-Committee should consider additional conditions to further limit the number of delivery  ...  view the full decision text for item 6.


In Attendance:



Joanne Surguy (Licensing Manager)

Robert Botkai (Legal Representative)


Making Representation

Councillor Matt Clare

Peter Glazebrook



The Licensing Team Manager gave an illustrated presentation of the report and highlighted that since its publication the applicant had communicated with 20 of the reps and subsequently 5 had withdrawn their representation including Public Health.


The applicant provided a further amendment to the application in reducing the supply of alcohol during the festive period from 06:00 - 00:00 instead of the 01:00 finish previously agreed with the Police.


The Sub Committee was addressed by Mr Glazebrook who stated that the applicants approach to launching the application had disappointed residents as many were against the initial blanket proposal of a 24-hour license. He added the applicant had initially not considered any of the licensing principles which resulted in the high number of representations made against the application.


Mr Glazebrook confirmed that although there had been considerable reductions to the hours on the application there was a suspicion amongst residents that this was the beginning of Eltham town centre operating later and highlighted the future opening of the Vue Cinema. He continued that the extended seasonal hours were also a concern and stated that the 1-hour reduction was a step in the right direction.


The Sub Committee was addressed by Councillor Matt Clare who was representing a local resident, he stated there were serious concerns around nuisance and public disorder as Sainsbury’s were not taking responsibility of youth misbehaviour in the area. He added that during the late opening hours

Staff would not be sufficient enough to stop people buying alcohol and commented there is only 1 till open at night. He continued that police were busy and would not be able to deal with any issues resulting from the store.


The Councillor stated that extra deliveries would create further disturbance to the local residents as the loading and marshalling of vehicles would create noise. He added that Sainsbury’s could operate its delivery service at more suitable local stores and agreed with the previous speaker’s concerns regarding the whole application.


The Sub Committee was addressed by the applicant’s representative who confirmed there was no agenda when submitting the application and accepted the criticism it received. He stated that most Sainsbury’s have a 24-hour license but choose to not operate this. He added that the applicant was requesting a variation to the license to reduce the number of Temporary Event Notice application they submit which take up a lot of staff time. He provided details of the seasonal TEN applications in previous years and stated that the police had suggested an opening 06:00- 01:00 however, as responsible retailer they have chosen to request only until 00:00.


The applicant’s representative confirmed that for online sales, the moment of sale does not take place until the parcel is ready in the warehouse. Therefore, due to the increase in online sales and to ensure that technical sales were not made unlawful, instruction was received to apply for  ...  view the full minutes text for item 6.