Greenwich Council

Agenda, decisions and minutes

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Contact: Susan Crimp  Email: susan.crimp@greenwich.gov.uk or tel: 020 8921 6160

Items
No. Item

1.

Apologies for Absence

To receive apologies for absence from Members of the Committee.

 

Minutes:

There were no apologies for absence.

2.

Urgent Business

The Chair to announce any items of urgent business circulated separately from the main agenda.

 

Minutes:

There were no items of urgent business.

3.

Declarations of Interest pdf icon PDF 56 KB

Members to declare any personal and prejudicial interests in items on the agenda.  Attention is drawn to the Council’s Constitution; the Council’s Code of Conduct and associated advice.

 

 

Minutes:

There were none.

 

Resolved -

 

That the list of Councillors’ Membership, as Council appointed representatives, on outside bodies, joint committees and School Governing bodies be noted.

 

4.

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Members are requested to confirm as an accurate record the Minutes of the meetings held on Tuesday 19th June 2012 and Thursday 5th July 2012.

 

No motion or discussion may take place upon the Minutes except as to their accuracy, and any question on this point will be determined by a majority of the Members of the body attending who were present when the matter in question was decided.  Once confirmed, with or without amendment, the person presiding will sign the Minutes.

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Minutes:

Resolved –

 

That the Minutes of the meetings of the Licensing Sub-Committee C held on 19 June 2012 and 5 July 2012 be confirmed and signed as a true and accurate record.

5.

The Woolwich Equitable House, General Gordon Square, Woolwich SE18 pdf icon PDF 112 KB

Application for a premises licence.

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Decision:

In reaching its decision the Sub Committee considered the Council’s statement of Licensing Policy, the Licensing Act 2003, the Regulations made there under and the Guidance issued by the Secretary of State under S.182 of that Act. In discharging its functions the Sub Committee did so with a view to promoting the licensing objectives of the prevention of crime and disorder, public safety, the prevention of public nuisance and the protection of children from harm.

 

Having considered all the evidence put before it the Sub-Committee decided to refusethe Premises Licence under the Licensing Act 2003 in respect of the

 

The Woolwich, Equitable House, General Gordon Place, London, SE18 6AB

 

The Sub Committee’s decision was based on issues raised concerning the prevention of crime and disorder and the prevention of public nuisance licensing objectives.

 

Reasons

 

This was an application from Max Alderman, Antic Ltd, for the grant of a premises licence in respect of The Woolwich, Equitable House, Woolwich, London, SE18 6AB for the:

 

Supply of alcohol: Sunday – Monday, 12:00 – 24:00 / Thursday, 12:00 – 01:00 / Friday & Saturday, 12:00 – 02:00, together with non standard timings on New Year’s Eve, Christmas Eve, Boxing Day and the Sunday before Bank Holidays;

 

Provision of live music (indoors): Sunday – Wednesday, 12:00 – 22:00 / Thursday – Saturday 12:00 – 23:00, together with non-standard timings for New Year’s Eve);

 

Playing of recorded music (Sunday – Wednesday, 12:00 – 24:00 / Thursday, 12:00 – 01:00 / Friday & Saturday, 12:00 – 02:00, together with non standard timings on New Year’s Eve, Christmas Eve, Boxing Day and the Sunday before Bank Holidays);  and,

 

Hours the premises shall be open to the public (Monday – Wednesday, 08:00 – 00:30 / Thursday, 08:00 – 01:30 / Friday & Saturday, 08:00 – 02:30 / Sunday, 09:00 – 00:30, together with non standard timings on New Year’s Eve, Christmas Eve, Boxing Day and the Sunday before Bank Holidays).

 

The Sub-Committee heard evidence from Environmental Health who informed members they had objected on the ground of the prevention of public nuisance licensing objective.  Environmental Health had proposed a number of conditions to address their concerns but had received no response from the applicant.

 

The Sub-Committee heard evidence from the Police who reminded Members that the premises were in the Woolwich Town Centre Saturation Zone and as a result the applicant needed to demonstrate how their application would not add to the cumulative impact.  The Police were concerned that there were already a variety of licensed premises in the Woolwich Town Centre and any further licensed premises would have a negative cumulative impact.  The Police were anxious that the applicant had not put forward any measures to address the issue of the premises being located in a Saturation Zone and had not demonstrated why the granting of the application would not have an adverse impact. 

 

Members noted the police’s robust representations in respect of the on-going issue of street drinking in the Town Centre and the increase  ...  view the full decision text for item 5.

Minutes:

In Attendance

 

Max Alderman – applicant

 

 

Making Representations

 

Chief Inspector Turner and PC Coombes – Metropolitan Police

Matthew Lauezzari – Environmental Health

 

The Chair welcomed all parties and ensured that introductions were made, all papers had been received and that all parties were aware of their right to be represented.

 

The report was introduced by the Lead Licensing Officer, with the aid of a PowerPoint presentation.

 

The Sub-Committee was addressed Mr Lauezzari who stated that he had submitted a representation in respect of the public nuisance licensing objective.  It was stated that the premises were located close to residential properties and that to ameliorate the impact of noise nuisance a number of additional conditions had been proposed.  The Sub-Committee noted that the conditions proposed by Environmental Health had been included in the conditions volunteered by the applicant.

 

The Sub-Committee was addressed by PC Coombes who stated that the premises were in the Woolwich Saturation Zone and that it was for the applicant to demonstrate what steps were planned to ensure that the operation of the premises would not impact on any of the licensing objectives; thereby causing a cumulative impact within the area.  PC Coombes stated that there were particular concerns regarding the crime and disorder licensing objective especially given the existing problem with street drinkers in Woolwich Town Centre; and, that no measures had been put forward by the applicant to address the cumulative impact.  There was also an issue relating to the proposed use of the external area which faced directly on to General Gordon Square in that there could be an issue with large groups congregating in the area, which given the existing problems, could be difficult to police.  This might also jeopardise the family orientation of the Square. 

 

There were no questions to PC Coombes.

 

The Sub-Committee was addressed by the applicant, Max Alderman, who informed Members of the background to the application.  Mr Alderman stated that he had been informed that once the application had been submitted he should not contact the responsible authorities who had made representations.  The Sub-Committee was informed that the operator intended to provide good quality meals and to be a premium offer.  The application for regulated entertainment had been included to allow the premises some flexibility in case, in the future, they wished to host live music but the core of the business was quality food and being a good pub.

 

The Sub-Committee was informed that the applicant had opened a public house in Brixton and that had helped transform the area, which similar to Woolwich Town Centre experienced issues with street drinkers.  Mr Alderman stated that by having a ‘controlled’ area outside the building it may have a positive impact on street drinking.  The applicant stated that he understood the concerns about the potential impact on crime and disorder & public nuisance but his aim was to attract a new clientele to the area and also reflected that Woolwich was in transition.  The opening of the new premises in the  ...  view the full minutes text for item 5.

6.

Oasis Restaurant and Bar, 108 Woolwich High Street, London SE18 6DN pdf icon PDF 106 KB

Application for a premises licence.

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Decision:

 

In reaching its decision the Sub Committee considered the Council’s statement of Licensing Policy, the Licensing Act 2003, the Regulations made there under and the Guidance issued by the Secretary of State under S.182 of that Act. In discharging its functions the Sub Committee did so with a view to promoting the licensing objectives of the prevention of crime and disorder, public safety, the prevention of public nuisance and the protection of children from harm.

 

Having considered all the evidence put before it the Sub-Committee decided to refusethe Premises Licence under the Licensing Act 2003 in respect of the

 

Oasis Bar and Restaurant 108 Woolwich High Street, London SE18 6DN

 

The Sub Committee’s decision was based on issues raised concerning the licensing objective of the prevention of crime and disorder.

 

Reasons

 

This was an application from Ms Adetoun Babatunde for the grant of a premises licence in respect of Oasis Restaurant, 108 Woolwich High Street, Woolwich, SE18 6DN for the:

 

Supply of alcohol (on and off premises): Monday to Friday 12:00 hours until 23:00 hours / Saturday 12:00 hours until 24:00 hours / Sunday 12:00 hours until 22:00 hours

 

Recorded Music (Indoors only): Monday to Friday 12:00 hours until 23:00 hours / Saturday 12:00 hours until 23:00 hours / Sunday 12:00 hours until 22:00 hours

 

Late Night Refreshment: Saturday 23:00 hours until 24:00 hours

 

The Sub-Committee heard evidence from the Metropolitan Police who reminded Members that the premises were located in the Woolwich Town Centre Saturation Zone and as a result the applicant needed to demonstrate how their application would not add to the cumulative impact.  The Police were of the opinion that additional licensed premises would have a negative cumulative impact on the Town Centre and a detrimental impact upon the prevention of crime and disorder licensing objective.  The Sub-Committee noted the increase in street drinking and alcohol related crime in Woolwich Town Centre.  While the Police had proposed suggested conditions should the Sub-Committee be minded to grant the licence, the Police recommendation was for the application to be refused.

 

The Sub-Committee heard evidence from the applicant and her representative.  It was explained that although this is the first time the applicant would hold a premises licence she has 20 years experience in management in the hotel industry.  The applicant strongly conveyed to the Sub-Committee that the premises were not to be run as a bar or nightclub and would be a restaurant serving African food to families.  Service of alcohol would be ancillary to the restaurant use and customers would not be permitted to solely purchase alcoholic drinks.  The Sub-Committee heard the function room would only be used for pre-booked private events such as training courses, christenings and family occasions.  The Sub-Committee noted that the applicant had reached an agreement with a neighbour to use their land between 7pm – 11pm for customer parking which could accommodate 80 cars.

 

The Sub-Committee noted that the application for live music had been withdrawn and that the majority of  ...  view the full decision text for item 6.

Minutes:

In Attendance

 

Ms Babatunde – Applicant

Mr Hopkins – Applicant’s legal representative

 

 

Making Representations

 

PC Coombes – Metropolitan Police Service

Mr Lauezzari – Environmental Health

 

The Chair welcomed all parties and ensured that introductions were made, all papers had been received and that all parties were aware of their right to be represented.

 

The report was introduced by the Lead Licensing Officer, with the aid of a PowerPoint presentation.

 

The Sub-Committee was addressed by PC Coombes who informed Members that the premises were located in the Woolwich Saturation Zone and that the applicant had not indicated what steps they would take to ensure that the premises would not impact on any of the licensing objectives thereby causing a cumulative impact within the area.  It was also stated that there were concerns regarding the proposed terminal hour for the licensed activities; and, that the owner had limited experience in running a restaurant.

 

The Chair invited the applicant’s legal representative to address the Sub-Committee.  The applicant’s legal representative, Mr Hopkins, clarified that it was proposed that the patio area would close by 9 p.m.  The Sub-Committee was informed that the applicant had 20 years’ experience in the restaurant trade.  Mr Hopkins stated that the premises were to trade as an African restaurant and that it had been refurbished to make it suitable for families.  The restaurant would have a total of 54 covers with an overspill onto the terrace during the summer months.  It was not the applicant’s intention to be open late at night and the aim was to open usual restaurant hours.  Alcohol would only be served ancillary to a meal and that the emphasis was on the provision of food.

 

The Sub-Committee was informed that conditions had been agreed with Environmental Health and that there would only be background music, with no DJs or live music.  In relation to the conditions proposed by the Police, Mr Hopkins stated that the majority had been accepted by the applicant this included the installation of CCTV, staff training, refusal register, Challenge 25 Scheme.  The exception was the proposed provision of door supervisors which the applicant felt potentially gave the wrong message.  It was also stated that the function room was to be used for pre-booked events, including conferences and training.  The applicant was also proposing that no drinks be allowed outside (and that appropriate notices to that effect would be erected) and that off sales would not be allowed.  There would not be an issue relating to parking as agreement had been reached to use a neighbouring plot of land.

 

In conclusion Mr Hopkins stated that the original application had been amended to clarify that the premises were to be used as a restaurant; that the applicant had over 20 years’ experience in the trade; that the premises would not attract problem drinkers and that the emphasis was on providing good food; and, that it would not add to the cumulative impact.

 

As there were no further questions all parties with the  ...  view the full minutes text for item 6.