Greenwich Council

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Election of Chair

To elect a Chair for the Joint Meeting of the Finance & Public Services; Social Inclusion; and, Sustainable Communities and Transport Scrutiny Panels.


Councillor Thorpe proposed and it was seconded by Councillor Austen that Councillor H. Fletcher be elected Chair for the duration of the meeting.


Resolved –


That Councillor Hayley Fletcher be elected Chair for the duration of the meeting.


Before moving to the formal business of the meeting, the Chair advised that, in line with the Council Constitution, part 4 - A.100, the audio and visual recording by members of the press and pubic of meetings of the Council is not permitted without the prior consent of the Chair, in consultation with the Chief Executive.  As no formal requests to record the meeting had been received the Chair clarified that the recording of this meeting was not permitted. 




Apologies for Absence

To receive apologies for absence from Members of the Committee.


Apologies for absence were received for this meeting for Councillor Radha Rabadia.


Apologies for late attendance were received for Councillor A. Grant and apologies for leaving early were received from Councillor Austen.




Urgent Business

The Chair to announce any items of urgent business circulated separately from the main agenda.


There were no items of urgent business for consideration at this meeting.


Declarations of Interest pdf icon PDF 47 KB

Members to declare any personal and prejudicial interests in items on the agenda.  Attention is drawn to the Council’s Constitution; the Council’s Code of Conduct and associated advice.


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There were no declarations of interest made.


Resolved –


That the list of Councillors’ memberships as Council appointed representatives on outside bodies, joint committees and school Governing Bodies be noted.


Before moving to Item 5 on the Agenda the Chair asked Councillor Thorpe, as Chair of the Finance and Public Services Scrutiny Panel and Councillor MacCarthy, as Chair of the Social Inclusion Scrutiny Panel to address the Joint meeting.  Councillors Thorpe and MacCarthy outlined the areas of Scrutiny that their respective Panels were considering.


At the invitation of the Chair, Kim Smith (Transportation & Strategy Manager) and Tim Jackson (AD Transportation), outlined their role within the Council and how it was informed by the Scrutiny process.


Councillor Hyland, Cabinet Member for Regeneration, Enterprise and Skills addressed the Panel, at the Chair’s invitation and she outlined her role and responsibilities in line with her Cabinet Portfolio and how this was informed by the Scrutiny process.


Presentation by the Director of Planning and Strategy, Transport for London and the Public affairs management, South Eastern trains pdf icon PDF 37 KB

The Joint Meeting is to receive a presentation from the Director of Planning and Strategy, Transport for London, and the Public Affairs Manager, South Eastern Trains on transport issues in the Royal Borough.


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The Chair welcomed the public in attendance and advised that a number of requests to speak at the meeting had been received.  She confirmed the process for considering the items and requested that, in order to ensure that all speakers had an opportunity to address the meeting that speakers kept their address succinct.


The Chair welcomed Colin Mann, from Transport for London (TfL), who took members through a PowerPoint presentation which gave information in relation to a number of issues the Scrutiny Panels had specifically requested be addressed.  He briefly outlined the following;


·        There had been a number of positive outcomes from the Olympic and Paralympic Games period, including building on relationships formed with other transport providers and looking at the continued use and expansion of the use of manual ramps to allow wheelchair access onto trains.

·        In respect of Rail Devolution, the Mayor of London appeared to be keen to see TfL being given a greater role of managing some over-ground lines, including the Dartford line.

·        A number of options were currently being considered as to the type and locations of a new river crossing in the area and the future of the Woolwich Ferry.  There would be consultation events held within the Borough.

·        The Mayor for London had set up the Roads Task Force, the final report of which was due in June 2013 and it would effect the Royal Borough of Greenwich’s highways policy.

·        There were ongoing discussions as to how the fitting out of the Crossrail station at Woolwich would be funded.  He confirmed that the Crossrail station for Abbey Wood was fully funded.

·        A new funding deal, with Central Government, would be required if TfL was to maintain the current transport provisions and carry out improvements.  If a good deal was not secured TfL would have difficulty in maintaining the current services.


Members raised a number of questions in relation to buses;


·        Could assurance be given that visual information on bus arrival times, would still be given at bus stops, in light of the plan to provide bus arrival information on mobile phones, which was a good addition but would not be of use to many people with sight problems. 

·        Were there any plans to introduce audio announcements of bus arrivals (talking bus stops) at bus stops, which would be particularly helpful when bus stops were temporarily moved?


Mr Mann responded that there were no plans for mobile phone notification to supersede the existing systems.  Further, bus stop announcements on buses would continue.  He advised that he would have to investigate and report back on any plans to introduce ‘talking bus stops’.


Members asked if there were plans to introduce the Rail Assist scheme onto the Underground and commented that the current Rail Assist scheme was patchy.  Members added that an increase in the size of stations signs would also be helpful.


Mr Mann stated that Rail Assist had to be booked in advance and related to specific trains and as such would be extremely  ...  view the full minutes text for item 5.