Greenwich Council

Agenda, decisions and minutes

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No. Item


Apologies for Absence

To receive apologies for absence from Members of the Sub-Committee.


There were no apologies for absence.


Urgent Business

The Chair to announce any items of urgent business circulated separately from the main agenda.


There was no urgent business.


Declarations of Interest pdf icon PDF 35 KB

Members to declare any personal and financial interests in items on the agenda.  Attention is drawn to the Council’s Constitution; the Council’s Code of Conduct and associated advice.

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Resolved –


That the list of Councillors’ memberships as Council appointed representatives on outside bodies, joint committees and school governing bodies be noted.


Minutes pdf icon PDF 78 KB

Members are requested to confirm as an accurate record the Minutes of the meeting held on 4 July 2017.


No motion or discussion may take place upon the Minutes except as to their accuracy, and any question on this point will be determined by a majority of the Members of the body attending who were present when the matter in question was decided.  Once confirmed, with or without amendment, the person presiding will sign the Minutes.


Resolved -


That the minutes of the meeting of Licensing Sub-Committee ‘B’ held on 4 July 2017 be agreed and signed as a true and accurate record.


McDonald's 2 Crescent Arcade, London, SE10 9EJ pdf icon PDF 150 KB

Application to vary the premises licence

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In reaching its decision the Sub Committee considered the Council’s statement of Licensing Policy, the Licensing Act 2003, the Regulations made there under and the Guidance issued by the Secretary of State under S.182 of that Act. In discharging its functions the Sub Committee did so with a view to promoting the licensing objectives of the prevention of crime and disorder, public safety, the prevention of public nuisance and the protection of children from harm.


Having considered all the evidence put before it the Sub-Committee decided to grant the Premises Licence under the Licensing Act 2003 in respect of the


McDonalds Restaurant, 2 Crescent Arcade, London, SE10 9EJ


as follows:


That the hours for licensable activities


the provision of late night refreshment shall be


Sunday – Thursday

23:00 - 24:00

Friday – Saturday

23:00 - 01:00


Non-standard timings for the provision of late night refreshment shall be


New Year’s Eve

23:00 - 05:00

British Summer Time

One hour to be added to British Summer Time


The licence is granted subject to the conditions as are consistent with the Operating Schedule and the conditions volunteered by the applicant as set out as follows:


1.       A duty manager will be employed on the premises seven days a week and will be on when licensable activities are taking place (the “licensable period”). All such managers shall be trained in McDonald's security and safety procedures to ensure staff welfare, customer safety and to prevent crime and disorder and public nuisance. All duty managers shall be trained in conflict management training.

2.       The McDonald's Staff Safe system will be installed and in operation.

3.       Washrooms and toilets shall be made available for customers throughout the licensable period, and these shall be regularly checked by staff.

4.       The premises shall have a CCTV in operation throughout the restaurant areas, including a camera covering each of the entrances that is capable of providing an image that is recognised as identification standard. The system shall retain images for not less than 31 days. Notices warning customers that CCTV is in operation for the protection of staff and customers shall be prominently displayed in the restaurant.

5.       The first floor area shall be closed off to customers during the licensable period.

6.       An incident log shall be kept at the premises to record any known incident of crime and disorder.

7.       The licence holder shall join and participate in any local Pubwatch scheme, where one is in operation.

8.       Prominent notices shall be displayed in the restaurant requesting customers to respect local residents and leave the premises quietly, and not to loiter.

9.       Litter receptacles for trade and customer waste shall be provided within the curtilage of the site, and staff will conduct regular litter patrols to clear litter within the curtilage of the site.

10      There will be two managers present on the premises during the period of licensable activities


The Sub-Committee also agreed the following additional condition:

11.     A suitable barrier shall be placed across the stairs  ...  view the full decision text for item 5.


In Attendance:


Applicant                       Mike Smith (franchisee); Jeremy Phillips (legal representative); Yang Zhou (premises manager); Joshua Simons (licensing agent)


Making Representation  Howard Jones & Pauline Jones


The Chair welcomed all parties and ensured that introductions were made, all papers had been received and that all parties were aware of their right to be represented.  The Chair informed those present that she was varying the order of the procedure and the Sub-Committee would hear those making representation before the applicant.


It was noted that the applicant had provided supporting information prior to the hearing. Those making representation sought to circulate some photographic information at the hearing but the applicant did not consent.


The Sub-Committee considered an application made by McDonalds Restaurant, 2 Crescent Arcade, London, SE10 9EJ.


The Licensing Lead Officer gave an illustrated introduction to the report. He advised that subsequent to the publication of the report, the premises operated a further Temporary Event Notice (TENs) on the 28 and 29 October. He drew the Sub-Committee’s attention to appendix 3 of the supporting information provided by the applicant.


The Sub-Committee was addressed by Howard Jones.  He indicated where he lived in relation to the premises, noting the position of the public house and DLR station, and detailed the problems experienced to date with noise. He queried what the business case was for the application. He said there was an issue with beggars in Crescent Arcade; Pauline Jones commented further on the matter of the beggars.


The Sub-Committee was addressed by the applicant’s legal representative. He detailed the management experience of the franchisee and premise manager. He noted there had been no objections from responsible authorities. He explained the business case for the application. He explained how the management addressed the matter of the beggars. He stated that during the extra hour they would use the toilet on the ground floor rather than the one on the first floor.  He explained that because the premises was in a cumulative impact zone they had instructed consultants to check the ambient noise level and it was their opinion that as it was a busy area there would be no additional noise impact. He described the litter collection undertaken by the premises.


The applicant’s legal representative offered an additional condition, that:

·        There will be two managers present on the premises during the period of licensable activities


In response to questions from the Sub-Committee the premises manager confirmed that during the proposed additional hour the first floor toilet would not be used; he indicated that a barrier would be placed across the stairs to prevent customers accessing the first floor during the additional hour.  He explained that if customers made too much noise then security would tell them to quieten down. The applicant’s legal representative confirmed that no complaints had been received during the operation of the TENs. The franchisee detailed the litter clearance route.


There was a discussion of the matter.


Howard Jones queried the rubbish clearance, the exit route from the area for customers, and  ...  view the full minutes text for item 5.